ISI vs CIA ,Dangerous joke of 2011 or tit for tat strategy???


A visible feature of the ISI’s history is  it always  to work as bona fide agency for CIA and  people of Pakistan  have no doubt about it that this coordination where master slave relations is more dominant as compared to basis of equality is root cause of  our involvement in terrorism.This   has done great damage to reputation of ISI ,Pak army and Pakistan .This strategy of imposing US Washington-based policies  via ISI  platform is  creating   the continual deterioration of civilian institutions due to multiple military coups. This trend is strongly seen  in recent years, and the army remains a dominant actor in Pakistan’s political cover up.

The cooperation of killings through terrorism, creating  war like situation, sharing arms deals and  making armed groups  are common interests of both intelligence teams and all always ended in chaos like situation.The recent  past incidents occurring on Pakistan’s soil is clear indication that both ISI and CIA , partner of all crimes in Pakistan and Afghanistan have come to circle of restrains .The sequence of these incidents makes  like this

On May 10,2010

Pakistani army major has been arrested in connection with the failed bombing earlier this month in New York’s Times Square.A senior Pakistani official said that  the army major were among several Pakistanis being questioned in connection with the Times Square case.

On July 16th 2010

India’s press reported that Pakistani-American terrorist Davaid Headley  confirmed that Ahmed Shuja Pasha met the Mumbai attack mastermind Sajid Mir of  lashkar Taiba before the attacks and provided him Rs 25 lakh for the purchase of the boat which was subsequently used to cross from Karachi to Indian waters and hijack the Indian boat Kuber. He has been summoned by a Brooklyn court in this connection so name of  faithful  ISI chief Shujah Pasha is  called on  a civil lawsuit in the United States — filed by family members of victims of a November 2008 attack in Mumbai, India.

01 Sept, 2010

A Pakistani military delegation became the latest victim of the paranoia permeating US airports on Monday night, when US security officials detained a [Pakistan Army] Brigadier at Washington’s Dulles [International] Airport on a complaint by a passenger who said he did not feel safe sharing the flight with the delegation.The Brigadier was removed from the United Airlines flight and others in this eight-member [Pakistani military] delegation  including two star general were also detained after they disembarked. They were later released.

Dec 2010

U.S. helicopters violated Pakistan’s airspace and killed 50 people in the bordering area of the country near Afghanistan. And it seems that the ISI retaliated on Friday by torching NATO oil tankers for violating Pakistan’s airspace. The CIA stepped up its unmanned aerial bombing campaign in Pakistan. The CIA initiated 20 attacks with armed drones so far in September, as top officials work to stem the rise of U.S casualties before the Obama administration’s review of its Afghanistan strategy in December 2010.

Dec 19th, 2010

The name of the U.S. agency’s station chief in Islamabad was leaked  surely by ISI  and he was forced to leave the country after his name was published   in a court filing over drone attacks. The CIA believes the ISI leaked the name to a lawyer filing the case  in a lawsuit accusing him of killing civilians in a drone strike.

Jan 26 2011

An American official in the Pakistani city of Lahore has shot and killed  a  Pakistani motorcycle rider and his pillion passengers.The men were pursuing the American in his car when the incident happened. He was caught by traffic police wardens and now been charged under serious charges of killing Pakistanis and now on remand under strict state security.A third person  was also killed by a speeding car from the US consulate which came to help. An American having ID of Raymond Davis has been revealed to be a CIA contractor detailed to provide security at the US consulate in Lahore. The United States says the assignment gives Davis diplomatic immunity and he should be released immediately.

In latest strategy the game is in hands of ISI and ball has been sent in US court as this time an important person of CIA was trapped in Punjab city.

A Pakistani protester stands over the US flag bin front of a a banner which reads 'Negroponte and Boucher go back,' to condemn their visit in Pakistan, on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 in Lahore, Pakistan. American Deputy Secretary of State John Negoroponte and Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Richard Boucher arrived in Islamabad and held talks with Pakistan's former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif just as the new premier was sworn i

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chiefs, Leon Panetta and General Ahmad Shuja Pasha have spoken on the phone and the ISI has asked that information be given to it about all CIA operatives in Pakistan.The ISI is now growling on thousands of visas issued to U.S. employees in Pakistan. The ISI official said Davis’ visa application contains bogus references and phone numbers. He said thousands of visas were issued to U.S. Embassy employees over the past five months following a government directive to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington to issue visas without the usual vetting by the interior ministry and the ISI. The same directive was issued to the Pakistan embassies in Britain and the United Arab Emirates.Within two days of receiving that directive, the Pakistani Embassy issued 400 visas and since then thousands more have been issued, said the ISI official. A Western diplomat in Pakistan agreed that a “floodgate” opened for U.S. Embassy employees requesting Pakistani visas.

These comments of ISI spokesman is nothing more than mockery as all such game plan was started since the time of Musharraf when Gen Kiyani was  DG ISI.In Washington embassy military attaché and other intelligence officers are all time deputed and applicants  only get visa after clarification from military personals too.Even if Haqqani dares to by-pass the rules of visa , the GHQ and its related agency can check bogus papers on entry points of Pakistan.It is seen many times in Islamabad airport that full badge of active  and strong  US people are escorted by army men through fast track procedures and in the VIP parking full security protocol is provided to them  where they leave  in  private imported  vehicles .Many times these armed foreigners were caught red-handed by our few dare police men  on different charges but all time a call from Interior ministry or some unknown personal came to rescue those law breakers by showing their IDs of different intelligent groups of  Pakistan.

The ISI-CIA  love Affair

Analysts say that in present scenario Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and United States’ Central Intelligence Agency  are locked in an intense battle to secure their respective countries’ interests in the region.

The expert of military politics are sure that most of mess in our soil is created by these two  powerful groups.In past CIA operatives are dependent on ISI but Musharraf regime has given CIA all kind of  opportunities to set their moving and static base stations in different areas of Pakistan. It is  sure that the  ISI-Taliban Alliance , the Taliban in uniform and the Taliban in civil clothes are behind recent attacks on NATO supply trucks in Pakistan

Pakistan’s foreign office is completely dominated by the ISI. Pakistan’s civilian government has no control on the country’s foreign policy. In particular, policies on India, Afghanistan, USA, UK etc are made in the army’s GHQ and implemented through their civilian servants (civil bureaucrats) in the foreign office.

So ISI ‘s new game plan of blaming present govt for any kind of wrong doing in this visa policy  can be  some kind of eye wash or planning of new changeover in coming days??

Collateral damage: On Sunday, 3 October, at least six killed as NATO oil tankers were ambushed by the ISI’s agents in Islamabad .
Time  to bring revolutionary Political  Change

Recent tit for tat strategy between two senseless groups  have killed many locals and put security of Pakistan on stake.Nobody is ready to take burden of their crimes.Both are trying to regain support and assistance but with this they  are making efforts to force each other  to start showing respect instead of belittling   and belligerent through bullying attitude.”

Disappearance of hundreds and previous abuses of power has stigmatized ISI to point that business as usual means leading the country into absolute abyss.Although reforming ISI will be difficult  as all corrupts are secured in this   government by the same ISI that  waits for appropriate  time to topple the main actors to reassert military  control over the  civilian.

It wouldn’t be a reasonable argument to point fingers toward  United States for all crimes alone, Pakistan  establishment consisting of military and bureaucracy are fully responsible of sharing this burden of national crimes.All including  general Fazul haq,  Ishaq khan, Zia and up to Zardari and his NRO team all those  are responsible for selling national interests and all time behave like  mischievous slaves .Whether it was Ojri camp armfire  works or drone attacks these are Pakistanis who were/ are suffered and few earned/ receiving billions .Enough collateral damages have been done and  there should be end of this dangerous “hide and seek “like policy If frustrated Arabs can topple their tin gods then why injured and rejected   Pakistanis cant group together to counter these militarist and materialistic approach of Pakistani ruling mafia which changes its skin time to time to fool the people again and again  .

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49 Responses to ISI vs CIA ,Dangerous joke of 2011 or tit for tat strategy???

  1. Ahmed says:

    If we are so weak from all side ,the every one can over power us. ISI is very late to react, once they permitted and now people of Pakistan are in threat.

  2. Nazia says:

    We are not weak but dodged by our local people who are assigned to protect us but their planning and vision has made Pakistan the most insecure country.

  3. Faiz says:

    Pakistan is currently an unstable state and on the edge of chaos.Indirectly Pakistan under ISI strategies has been supporting terrorism and extremism via few groups of jhadis
    Pakistan has t to move away from Army rule and influence of the ISI through political dismantling and more significantly something to be put in its place for strengthening fair civilian rule..

    • Nazia says:

      At this stage one cant forecast any thing like that as you are suggesting.
      My sequence of activities provided in above articles are actually glimpses of all such incidents which are making us us more weak and unstable country.All events are not some kind of acts of untrained or aggressive and frustrated groups but majority of terrorism events are part of this tit for tat strategy between two groups.ISI by killing its people or attacking US people pick our land for displaying their anger on US.Indian attack through ajmal kasab has shown more disgusting results than apprehended before executing such events and now this tug of war is going on in our soil on the cost of lives of ordinary Pakistanis and its servings community and damaging our national integrity and infrastructure.

  4. Ahmed says:

    State minister and governor were killed in city of IsI . Both were planted in running position by military suppoort.The killing of both are done by religious group who has support of agencies.Any thing else to think what is going on near to us.

  5. Faiz says:

    In the 1980s the ISI was instrumental in supporting seven Sunni Muslim mujaheddin groups
    in their jihad against the Soviets, and was the principal conduit of covert US and Saudi
    funding. It subsequently played a pivotal role in the emergence of the Taliban
    and Pakistan provided significant political, financial, military and logistical support to the
    former Taliban regime in Afghanistan (1996-2001 This support was
    comprised not only of arms, ammunition, equipment, fuel and other supplies, but also military
    advisers and trainers, as well as economic support.Army generals at that time was sure that through this strategy they would win Afghanistan and future military Talibanisation would be planned under their nose.. but all was back fired.
    ISI just answer the nation
    where is kashmir/?
    Where is Kabul?
    where is Kargil ? and where now Pakistan stand in international community? as terrorism exporter country.
    It is not matter of blame game but all high profile reports shows that whether it is down fall of Pakistan as political state or any force behind illegitimate military ruleS or behind all cover up scenes of crimes of military, ISI played major key role in all .that is why now they want to refurbish their institutes.
    TOO LATE TO REVISE THEIR CRIMINAL MISTAKES
    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/06/13/SISFINAL.pdf
    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2010/06/13/SISFINAL.pdf

    • Nazia says:

      Our main problem area is poor political approach of society.that is why military always enhance religious extremistim which get its roots on logic free soil and people get use to declaration and orders through some dominant personality near to them.These personality were /are inducted our system through proper manipulation to control the sentiments of masses through power of faith.ISI did this job in excellent way in the name of producing mullah brigade for some kind of war by labeling it as jihad.As no negotiation is not permissible in religious matters as we are seeing in matter of blasphemy laws so people have no ability to even cross question to their soul and conscious .This is is actually going on around us on the name of religion since the creation of Pakistan.
      Our army under US strategy grew this confined approach in our orthodox society making it more conservative and rigid than its past and now we all have come under threat of our existence as normal, moderate and modern human being.

    • Nazia says:

      Our main problem area is poor political approach of society.that is why military always enhance religious extremism which get its roots on logic free soil and people get use to declaration and orders through some dominant personality near to them.These personality were /are inducted our system through proper manipulation to control the sentiments of masses through power of faith.ISI did this job in excellent way in the name of producing mullah brigade for some kind of war by labeling it as jihad.As no negotiation is not permissible in religious matters as we are seeing in matter of blasphemy laws so people have no ability to even cross question to their soul and conscious .This is is actually going on around us on the name of religion since the creation of Pakistan.
      Our army under US strategy grew this confined approach in our orthodox society making it more conservative and rigid than its past and now we all have come under threat of our existence as normal, moderate and modern human being.

  6. She says:

    This tit for tat strategy is dependent on four conditions, which have allowed it to become the most successful strategy for the two old rivals who know each other weakness and strong point

    1. need provoking action lest they are best accomplice
    2. If provoked, the other will retaliate with more severe response
    3. The receiver retaliates on weak area of attacker or try to forgive.
    4. The receiver t must have a good chance of competing against the opponent more than once.
    In this game.the important thing is the competition continues long enough for repeated punishment and forgiveness to generate a long-term payoff higher than the possible loss from cooperating initially.

    so today’s attack on ISI Faisalabad office can be part of tit or tat or try to sabotage the long march of traders for unprecedented gas load shedding under sharif’s instructions.

  7. Nazia says:

    We are throughout being victimized under this policy of tit for tat.Due to bad governance and negligence of intelligence and law enforcing agencies all are tried to cover up under the theme of talbanistaion.
    Target killing in Karachi, massacres of Baluchistan suicidal attacks on different areas, target killing of VIPs all have different aspect but all are simplified to one theme for making mind of majority people

  8. akbar khan says:

    Civil Institutions have landed Pakistan in much bigger troubles. Please remember only in 60s 80s and 2000s Pakistan developed not in 70s 80s or post Zardari as during these periods we only mounted foreign debt and did nothing with that money. Moreover Democracy starts to divide Pakistan like in 1970 election and now 2008 election where as corrupt politicians are brought back by people. In absence of armed forces we would literally disintegrate

  9. Nazia says:

    Khan shaib
    Name any civilian institute of Pakistan which is not headed or under control of armed forces through direct and indirect means.
    ISI, Interior ministry. NHA, PSB,PCB, Railway, Nadra,, wapda, power plant areas,
    If Pakistan was only developed in dictators era then why people revolted against them and this time dictator didn’t take risk of staying in the country where he ruled for 9 years.
    Any how you cant agree with me I know it but you can also use this link for upgrading your cyber talent.
    I know these means too but least interested of fooling other through my weak word power or low caliber.
    That is the reason I always say that educated and privileged class of Pakistan is more harmful for Pakistan and poor Pakistanis like me than illiterate class.

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    • smantha says:

      Nazia Sahiba..

      Not withstanding your shortcomings which you highlighted in the last mail, and having gone through the contents of discussion you hosted here, I am firmly of the view that you come from the creed of Pakistani’s who have been born and bred in choclate cream enviornments. These Mummy Daddy types know nothing about the real life issues, they are as ignorant and direction less as our TV anchors are. I have a very strong feeling that either you are from India or Indian / Jewish sponsored. You can also be part of a CIA propoganda cell dealing with opinion formulation agendas of our region.

      Whosoever you are, you seem obsessed with what US reports and other western media has been saying. If you are a pakistani do not Please don’t preach US agendas, Pakistan under no circumstances should scarifice its interests for the sake of US interests. USA will abandon Pakistan as it did in the past and people like you will not even know as to what were you saying and why? Just grow up, your knowlege is too shallow to comment on issues bigger than your current horizon.

      I must commend Khan Sahib who even with little knowlege did have things in the correct perspective.

      And if you are not Pakistani, keep trying we are not Arabs that we get into defence deals worth 62 Billion Dollars and still accept Jewish Hegemony. If USA is so worried about Davis than why the same “Diplomatic Immunity” was not allowed to the Georgian Diplomat who was a ‘Real Diplomat’ and had a real accident not a murderer like ‘Contractor convert Diplomat”……..BLOOD OF AMERICAN IS SACRED THAN OF OTHERS…….ha ha ha

      • Nazia says:

        Lady smantha of UK
        First I make few clarification
        Here all including me and not people like you all belong to working class of Pakistan .I am sure about it.
        I belong to amman Aba culture and this mummy daddy words don’t suit with our desi slang
        Yes you are right that These Mummy Daddy types know nothing about the real life issues, they are as ignorant and direction less .I am neither ignorant not directionless but ready to enlighten your emotional backwardness through my right guidance.
        If your really need it I can do it as part of my social extracurricular activity?
        I don’t obsesses with US reports and its shiny glamor but worry about my ground realities which are showing me horrible scene of my future under ISI and CIA maneuvering.
        Who is destroying the national interest of Pakistan?
        This should be that group which directly or indirectly ruled or ruling Pakistan It is on Pak army and corrupt bureaucracy joint venture which is planning Pakistan destabilization program that is why each era has brought more backwardness in our system.
        I am pure Pakistani and Indian and Arab cant afford such kind of Pakistanis like me.
        They have money but no vision they are controlling their people through money and US vision and now all has come on stake.
        YouI must commend Khan Sahib who even with little knowledge did have things in the correct perspective..
        Enjoy his little knowledge in correct perspective! who is stopping you?. carry on mission of khan shaib as he is holding the flag of loser army that is failed to secure the people within its boundary.
        I know my or blood of Pakistani has become more cheaper than the dog living in US that is why I am pointing the reasons that who and what factors make this situation for us.
        Understand or need more doze to activate your depressing stimuli

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  14. Ahmed says:

    Why brawl on each other.Get straoight facts what kind of leadership is seen inGen Pasha that become reason of 3years extensionm.soillogical national decison provide us our wealkness and nation have to face lon term disadvantages of poor decsion.

  15. Nazia says:

    Those who are praising vision of Kiyani and his leadership are all time beneficiary of military regimes.Pak army is taking command from US officials(leaked by their personals via wiki leaks) who immediately fired her general after releasing some loose comments about US management and here Kiyani and his generals passing comments about our high profile President and no body in parliaments bother to make kiyani accountable for his loose talks with US officials.

  16. smantha says:

    Dear Nazia

    Having read your meaningless jugglary of words, do you think I am impressed? well certainly not…..to me you appear to be a person who is either in late teens or early twenties, as your emotions for Pakistan may be patriotic but for sure the imbalance in your personility and perception is for the benefits of enemies of pakistan. There is also one more possibility……..that you must be a JIYALI of PPP……..only they have the “Mental Horizon” to declare the TRAITORS (ZA Bhutto, BB ) as Shaheeds………..what a joke!!. And yes you will also call the gangster of UK and traitor in training– BILAWAL as your spiritual leader, isn’t it???

    I must say that YOUR president is a disgrace indeed. But certainly there are “WELL LEARNED PEOPLE” like you, Sharmila Farooqi (did u ever witness the Cooking Recepie video on u tube), Fauzia Wahab and many more, who would favour the PPP for doing following:

    Promoting the ethnic divide between smaller and bigger provinces for their personal benefit.
    Used Sind Card to stop the construction of Kalabagh Dam and then made billions of Dollars in the kick backs with IPPS…..this was done by the Benazir B*tch and has been religiously followed by YOUR PRESIDENT.
    Did you forget what the BB said while visiting India regarding Pakistan’s Nuclear Programme?
    Do you know how much property BALAWAL has bought in Dubai, UK and in other parts of the world using the ZAKAT fund or u guys call it BB income support programme? I think muslims give ZAKAT for taking care of the POOR?…………. Ohh!! i forgot in your recokoning Bhutto family is the poorest in Pakistan>>>>>?
    Remember!! the volume of flood water which devastated lower portions of Punjab and complete Sind was 13 lac cusics………….the proposed capacity of KALABAGH was 9 lac cusics………if the dam had been there, not only it would have been filled, but there would have been no loss of life and property and we had used the same water for irrigation till the next season………………………Alas we had the PPP and in that people like you ….who are serving the country …….not Pakistan at least.
    I had a chance to witness with my own eyes two plazas (under construction) near Ilford in London……and NAWAZ Sharif is the owner…………………………………Nawaz Sharif was told by the US president that if he does not pull back Pakistani troops from Kargil he would lose his complete busniess in next two to three years………..not that Pakistan would loose something…..He was so patriot that he SACRIFICED THE INTERESTS OF HIS COUNTRY FOR HIS PERSONAL GAINS………..

    I have so many examples to quote that your article under review will seem loose its position. But I do not have the requisite time……dont try to impress me with your language skills. Go and waste the time of our Talk show anchors (if you want i can share their pics with you having nice and cozy time with US embassy staff in a dance party).

    Cool down and do some brainstorming you will start reading in between the lines……we are not yet ready for democracy……it is being abused by these Landlords and big industrialists…..till the time we do not have majority representation in the parliment from our normal working class, nothing will change.

    Our media is for sale……why Geo sports is always given the rights to beam cricket IPL and other matches in India? do you think that Geo is more capable than Star Sports, DD Sports, ESPN, TEN Sports , SS1, and SS2 or BAJAJ group of India has direct investments in Geo? These anchors are for sale……..every thing is for sale…Why did Pervaiz Musharraf banned Geo twice? when it was he who developed the media in his eight years?

    Nazia wake up, please…… don’t confuse your frineds and foes.

  17. Nazia says:

    If it is meaning less then why you wasted your unlimited time to read this and waste time on writing comments.
    What ever I have written , pinched your conscious which is behaving liking sleeping princess awaiting for some prince to come and realize you that you were in wrong hands.It was so tragic that such phase usually come when you people got retirement package and then start using your logical part of brain remain dormant when you are in service.
    Musharf banned GEO for his negative publicity.If he did so on this basis of your updated information then what was his problem to put charges on Geo officially on courts as chief EXECUTIVE OF PAKISTAN.
    I am not a mental case who would waste my precious time to impress runway people like you.
    The media people are enjoying life in parties in Pakistan but where your runaways leaders are enjoying lives by throwing money on club dancers and enjoying black labels?

  18. smantha says:

    My Dear

    Accept it that you have lost the debate at your own page……you will only grow in stature….(i wish you could grow……or get mature…….)
    What was Bhutto’s favourite brand???? yes you r right……Black Label. What was BB’s favourite place here in UK? Pubs……..i hope u know that they do not sell Holy Water for baptizing in these pubs…….may be you do not know that as its a Christian ritual…but let me assure you BB knew it very well. I have her pictures as well and if you want i can share with you……or let me bring you to present day your saint BALAWAL…….wanna see the party pics on his manshon just few weeks and then few months back??
    I have also read that in your country you have a habit of trailing the blood in a family. If that is true then Nusrat Bhutto was not a dancer in an Iranian Brothol……was she? or her mother…..can you put me right? And yes since Bhutto was never liquor hungry so how did he meet nusrat??????

    And yes you got me wrong as well, I am no where near retirement, i ve just touched maturity at thirty…..just had a chance to study things in “out of the Box” where I am not told that Bhutto was “Shaheed”…….I believe that you muslims use this word with lot of Grace. And I assure you that I hold it in the same honourable way and i believe that your civilians and soldiers who lost their lives for religion or country are all very honourable. The why are you abusing the word by attaching it to Z.A.Bhutto, BB………………………….

    Here I can read that he was the illegitimate PM of Pakistan, who after loosing the elections to Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman preferred his personal gains over the national interests and got the country split into two…….who cares…….and then balmed that on military…..Yahya khan the goof just took the blame like a donkey.

    Here in UK we do not have sponsored people writing history, we are a free nation who has the courage to tell a spade..a spade. We are not slaves to the “landlords and Industrialists”. Whatever happens, we do not sell our votes for few hundred rupees and we go to ballot on the day we are required to go….we do not shirk our responsibilities….We may have many failures in our family systems but we make sure that persons with the strongest of characters are made our leaders……but i am sorry to say …your system is totally opposite…i ve been told here by so many of your countrymen that in your country a normal and law abiding citizen can never become a politician….let alone a parlimentarian………
    and yes whatever you are trying to tell me, your countrymen say opposite to that…..they all love your army for which i am surprised and would like to learn more………… either they are right or you are WRONG………

    For a moment why don’t you take my advice……..think with a cool mind…..chill..grl…chilll

    • Nazia says:

      Myfear lady
      At least I am sure that as long as I am in my domain I cant lose my debate but I am sure the day I would be landed in your page and area no one can save me from abusive missiles or harassed bullets.
      Where I am praising Bhutto culture but you are looking me more traumatized under this Bhutto phobia that even couldn’t avoid hitting young and immature bilwal bhutto.it is not fault of bilwal he is just behaving like spoiled kid of corrupt parents but it is major inbuilt fault of Pakistanis who is seeing future Bhutto in him .
      I am talking of east and you are taking me to west
      By the way black label is favorite of all generals who made and presented this NRO to corrupt politicians.
      Your lover Musharraf has all hobbies of drinking and visiting pub bars and throwing money to poor dancers as he still has soft corners for destitute and prostitute like women as part of his enlightened moderation.For destitute ladies he hired Atiiqa and others he knows well how to handle it.
      The main difference in UK and Pakistan that no civilians is ever afraid of army generals and none of them have courage to even touch the state laws to amend it for military dominance but in Pakistan.I.
      In Pakistan it is as such where people like you who get mature at thirty or before retirement, favor these tin gods as part of their national duty .
      But sooner go to state of realization as they get retirement letter or start settling in western culture.
      My country men surely says opposite to it that they love Pak army as they are afraid of becoming part of team of missing people in Pakistan or might be kidnapped or tortured by agencies under military.
      Which of your advice I should take as I am living in the system and you are peeping it far away from here so who is in better position of judging the situation you and me??
      when will you understand this big and clear difference.

  19. smantha says:

    Nazia dear

    Assumptions………I am litterly not concerned about Musharraf or the military ….you are one and there are so many here to narrate things…here no one is worried about getting kidnapped etc….as you are telling me, here they say that army was the only one looking after their families in the devastating floods and then the PM Gilani just did some (in their language…GONGLOUN SAY MITI JARNAY AYA) means an eye wash visit and said that he had sent the army for them……and then every one laughed………….. (do u know what they mean?)
    They say that he has bagged billions of rupees on his wife’s name….and has got away with that.

    And yes the Innocent Bilawal………..goes to his father that he wants to buy a palace in a Dubai when complete country was devastated with floods….his father referred him to his uncle….PM Gilani who asked him to get the money from Farzana Raja…from ZAKAT fund……………..and he bought that………(INNOCENCE at its BEST)……….all are innocent including you …….do you feel some shame in supporting these people? Every sain person will …less the insain JIYALA of PPP.

    Nazia Please dont’ touch topics you can’t handle…..and do not misguide the readers, uptill now you are nothing else but a baseless propaganda station…….

    Am I obsessed with Bhutto Phobia or you with Army Phobia……………….Having read the achievements of your political junta, i can only pray that when the working class… a common man will wake up and dump these theives and traitors called Politicians???????? I am sure that these clowns will have their Waterloo one day……

  20. Nazia says:

    Tell me who made this NRO? who let these known and certified corrupt men back to Pakistan.
    I can touch any topic under my area and as per my knowledge but you are trying to confuse it by adding name of out of context characters under this topic of real working of ISI.
    Baseless propaganda stations are techniques handled by ISI OR ITS EX offciers who even cant get rid of this lie culture and they are trained for it surely impressed by Nazis strategy of showing black as white and white as black through wrong propaganda by controlling many media stations and media men.
    I have no obsession with army phobia otherwise you cant find military politics section in my blog under my real name.
    I am not a coward ex service man who have no courage to face the world with reality but try to hide under gild of religious themes for clearing their consciousness about what they have done in their past.
    Gillani and zardai are here only for gangolon say metti jaharana as army is only busy to destroy the field of gonngloons which once they planted with full devotion under US guidance to conquer kashmir and Kabul.

  21. smantha says:

    Nazia

    Thank you for providing such important information………As per my knowlege, USA never supported any campaign on Kabul or Kashmir. Just read the media in detail, ISI is trying to secure the interests of Pakistan against CIA as well, and it is quite understandable keeping in view the conflicting geo-strategic interests of USA, China, India and above all Israel with its obsession for Iran.

    Arabs do not need any one else, they are wise enough to kill themselves.

    Thus a point is proved, that you are not a Pakistani, and if unfortunately you are, then you are a SOLD OUT as well. And there is no point in wasting time with SOLD OUTs as with them around the only thing you can gather is crap and no truth.

    I do not know about the habits of these ex-officers you are talking about, but if you do something repeatedly in your life, it is bound to leave an impression……but i can’t comment as i have not experienced life with them.

    Being a student of International Relations, you get attached with your subjects but now I realize that the feeling pays you rich dividents…

    This exchange of ideas will help me siphoning CRAP from TRUTH, I will certainly not beleive anything which I see on your site without keeping a hind sight on.

    Cheers

  22. Nazia says:

    Dont say too much thanks I would surely die under burden of your thankfulness.
    From where you dig this golden declaration
    ISI is trying to secure the interests of Pakistan against CIA as well, and it is quite understandable keeping in view the conflicting geo-strategic interests of USA, China, India and above all Israel with its obsession for Iran.
    ISI is trying to secure our interests by allotting military bases to US marines in Pakistan
    ISI is surely trying to secure our special interest by allowing DYN corps or Xe like notorious company to spread its action all over the Pakistan
    Diamond davis is unique ISI interest in Pakistan which was secured over selling dead bodies of Pakistanis.
    ISI is surely securing serious national interests by allowing drones attacks on Pakistanis who were on forefront soldiers of Pakistan throughout the history now they are on top of hit list intelligence provided by ISI like agencies .
    Pakistan ISI poltical cell created IJI , talibans via corrupt religious leaders, made jihadi robots, intervened in elections via bogus votes and ghost voters and Gen Ithisham Zameer in his TUN state already acknowledged it in front of whole media.
    It is ISI who was first involved in NATO supply smuggling and later on torching these convoys for securing top souls of army.

    really It is long list of ISI national performance and I cant go more as I have cramps in my stomach after writing few in my immature style.

  23. Nazia says:

    Former Argentine Gen Eduardo Cabanillas has been sentenced to life in prison for running a notorious detention center during military rule in 1976-83.
    Three former intelligence officers were also convicted of murder, torture and illegal imprisonment.
    Around 200 left-wing activists were kidnapped and taken to the Automotores Orletti secret prison in Buenos Aires.

    Look Argentina type country is even going well who realized the blunders of one military rule and you know we have 4 longer tenure like that!

  24. smantha says:

    If you die, let me assure you Pakistan will be much better and happier………..let alone my thankfulness, but miracles happen rare…………Alas

    Did you ever think that people like Ethisham Zamir have always brought disgrace to the national institutions, if his concious had to awake, then why didn’t he have the ba*ls to tell that to musharaf then?
    The problem is that after their military life they don’t find the same charm again around them, so they start uttering statements attractive enough for people sitting on the wall.. like you..

    They think by doing this they will be offered the leadership of some political party……what do you think about the statements of Jamshed Gulzar, Yahya Khan and many more…? If you are honest with your subject, one day you will realise that there were good dictators and bad ones, but after Jinnah and Liaquat Ali, name one political leader whom you will call sincere to Pakistan????????If you are balanced , you will say none………………………..

    Did you ever find old CIA bosses washing their dirty linen in public?? There is a need to discipline these idiots by creating examples and no one else but the Army should do it.
    In USA as well as in UK nothing can be shared with public before national security agencies clear the information for public consumption and that too after Twenty Five Years.

    But in that case what will be the fate of people like you who read few articles from the Western and Indian Propaganda Machinery, listen to few clowns like Ethshiam Zamir and than think that they can prove to be the best of traitors by opening these blogs with nothing else to do but criticize national institutions and their policies.

    Fortunately I had a chance of listening to a learned person from Pakistan, and he told me of a story of “MONKEY WITH A KNIFE……………..” . I can’t resist imagining you in the story>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  25. Nazia says:

    If i would die under your burden of thankfulness,My devil would be more dangerous for you and Pakistan. so let me live for few more days to counter people like you who are in mission of blanketing the wrong doings of working army men.
    It is good you at last heard this story of monkey with a knife but I am unable to understand where you will fit me in place of monkey or as knife.
    If you portray Pak army generals as monkey and knife as nuclear arsenals under control of monkey heads than you would easily conceive its moral ending of this story and it is” war is only solution of Pakistan’s all problem under rule of monkey heads”.
    By the way you are so ignorant about US culture that how they overthrown their professional general who just given few comments against US leadership and its war strategy in Afghanistan.
    Go and get facts how many given resigns have come from state officials on issues of war in these countries.
    I have no time left to read western and Indian article, although I want to but all my efforts of bringing facts is essence of my national effort based on ground realities.
    Gen zameer only followed the rule of jungle and it is do as per requirement of time to survive.Musharraf has gone and it is time of kiyani who is controller of retirement benefits of these white elephants of Pakistan living in their palace like bungalows.
    Would you believe in dark Pakistan, there are 80 bulbs installed only in periphery wall of gen zameer and these are on mode on daily basis so that all around people would see his enlightened palace.
    It is not first time but all time I declared that almost all generals who hold critical position in Pakistan are for sale, they only need instruction of acting COAS whose key is in hand of CIA or US officials.
    Political leadership is produced by army cells and those who tried to betray them would be eliminated as one to bhutoos , Jinnah and Liaquat ali.
    They all faced the same fate so we need political leadership that should originate from political fields not from the nursery of GHQ.

  26. Angry Boloch says:

    ISI and other Intelligence agencies are directly involved in abduction of Boloch youth and that is beyond his power. FC is running a parallel government in Balochistan and its out of the control of his government. The ex-interior minister Sherpao had also accepted that at least 4000 Boloch were being detained by his govt (in Musharraf reign). Majority of these people are still missing. So stop pointing fingers to sardars and heads of tribes first find what state is doing to these people.

  27. Nazia says:

    Why your strong sardars don’t take actions against such agencies moving and operating in your areas.Baluchistan areas where you put blame on agencies and army are typical balcoh areas and most of men working are from FATA and KPK so how easily they get their task and required people is question mark on blame games of Balch people.FC people have full charge sheet that some killing in shooting and kidnapped have ties with arms and human smuggling gangs and few people were abducted by local tribes on basis of enmity.They like you are not willing to prove it through official sources so both are attacking each other with same intensity and same kind of charges.

  28. smantha says:

    Nazia you are a hopeless case,….the ANGRY BALOCH has a point and you should have told him that it was Bhutto who ordered Army and agencies both, to take action against Balochs…..If you are thinking of denying that… better think twice as i will then prove that to you……..
    If you had little bit of sincerity to your country then you would have told him that Pakistan has repeatedly announced that Indians are directly involved in buying these Sardars to create trouble in Balochistan, mainly because that they do not want Gwadar port to be developed before they develop Chabahar Port in Iran. The complete trade from Centeral Asian States will go to India and Iran, and these Baloch people will be left in poverty.
    Those Sardars who are cooperating with Indians are infact selling the future of their own people but Alas the innocent Baloch Population does not understand this long term evil aims of Indians.
    If Gawadar is developed then it has the potential to beat even Dubai in the long term. Musharaf was trying to comission that port as early as possible but there are people like Nazia who will never say this because they are the traitor JIYALES……..
    That is why present government has put the complete issue on back burner and on the other side Indians have already completed the road link from Chabahar to Afghanistan (kabul). Whereas Zardari thinks that he can fool the Baloch people by giving them few jobs……even when he and his associates have already eaten all resources…..from where will he bring money to pay their salaries………..?? certainly will BEG IMF and the West.

    If the port is developed in time, not only Balochistan but complete Pakistan including KPK will be hugely benefitted………think for GOD’s sake think like a Pakistani…..I am not but I wonder if I can think this , Indians can think this China and Iran can think this….why not Pakistani’s????????????????????????

    • Nazia says:

      Yes lady I am some kind of hopeless case from your point of view always as such.
      If you angry baloch has some point which I cant understand then you are here to clear his vision about Bhutto’s decision of taking military action against baloch people
      For me it is same level as Sharif was blamed of planning Kargil after having successful nuclear reactions as Ist Islamic power of world.This was same kind of political decision that was said by PM gillani that Swat war was started on his orders.
      It is again interesting situation that nobody claiming that who would take the responsibility of free drone attacks on Pakistani and blame game is trying to shift to Mushee to keep him away from Pakistan.
      so please stop trying to fool the people by adding name of political characters on military actions.
      Every thing was planned and still planning in GHQ or ISI offices under monkey heads management and then only political names are used to giving it political cover for putting curses of bad management from public and media.
      I have not little bit of sincerity but my heart and soul is attached to Pakistan that is why living here having bold stance that military politics is real reason of down fall of Pakistan as real nation.
      Musharraf was trying to start gwadar port not because he wanted prosperous Pakistan but under US strategy to give them way to central Asia under protection of Pakistan army.He could have turned Karachi more stronger than Dubai but here he allowed MQM to take hold of only financial hub of Pakistan under their illegitimate control and there in Gwadar he was trying to this port for further militarism spreading in Baloch territory too.
      Get some fact from reliable forces her all major land and industrial areas are under control of senior army position or top bureaucracy of Pakistan is handling the gawadar trade benefits.Local baloch sardars would get their booty share as they do in case of gas fields and local baloch would serve it as laborer or low paid employees.
      This was same strategy when steel mill was planned and fitted in port qasm.Now all its senior management have eaten and steel mill is showing picture of poor management and high corruption in national assets.
      I have no objection of setting new ventures but its benefits should nt be restricted to few for short term developments and that is our tragedy that each military rule and its following weak political govts take huge steps from huge national investments to get personal benefits only.
      Musharf had not one two or three but full 9 year term in a country where he never faced a single real opponents.That man could nt bear a single blow from 22 grade SC judge and left the country which you think he was trying to create like Dubai.If Gwadar port would have scene like Dubai than why Musharraf turned KyberPK like Beirut by allowing US troops and PaK army to act like Israel on their real occupants of land.
      Pakistan cites faced worst kind of terrorism under his regime.Is it scene like dubai or Iraq.
      oh yes in all this he was enjoying his fluke music by setting gwadar port.

  29. smantha says:

    Were you sitting in GHQ when your proclaimed decisions were taken?? Do you even know the basic difference in the pros and cons of location of Gawadar and Karachi?? You have no sense at all what you are talking about……ok I understand; Now its is proved that you are an INDIAN AGENT and you want to disinform people so that India should be able to achieve her aims in the region. DO NOT FORGET MAJORITY OF BALOCH SARDARS ARE PATRIOTIC PAKISTANIS…….not traitors like you…and now you want to replace ASMA SHERAZI……isn’t it?

    And yes your infamous PPP wants to fool Karachites………i am sorry they are not simple people of Interior Sind, they do not till your land and don’t eat on your left behinds………they understand you and your PPP very well……………Can you draw any comparison between Mustafa kamal and the current clown??? The PPP Icon was drunk to the extent that he could not even walk straight towards his Land Crusier? In my humble opinion MQM is the only party where Democracy exists in its true spirit…….PPP and PML(N) are both stigma on the word itself…………Dynasty’s (Innocent…isnt it) not democracy…………………..Traitor!!

  30. smantha says:

    correction ” Not ASMA SHERAZI BUT ASMA JEHANGIR”

    • Nazia says:

      No problem I can understand your problem
      At your age both looks same if you see them without glasses.
      I under stand what you are trying to say me .

  31. Nazia says:

    Oh lady I think you are trying to be 1st lady of mqm UK as this seat is vacant for many years.
    MQM is only party where democracy exists in its true spirit. hhhhhhnnhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
    serious cough problem started after hearing such high kind of Revelation.
    Sitting in UK and showing us such picture of democracy.
    Really I cant stand with you and you surely cant tolerate me for a second under such democratic awareness.
    Where one side Musharraf looks you a big reformer and MQM is true picture of democracy.
    Both are power supplied by ISI and when ISI unplug their hole all air is gone from these baboon like characters that is why Musharraf and Altaf hussain are never daring to enter in their so called homeland Pakistan for which they always claim that it was made due to sacrifices of urdu speaking people.So these leaders of Urdu speaking felt no shame to run away and live in lands of English speaking people who are securing their illegitimate stay and illegal money from Pakistan.
    Thanks to Allah that I am not sitting in GHQ but most of time watching the activity’s of uniform clowns of GHQ living in Pakistan as distorted form of viceroy of British legacy.They are corrupt, having worst kind of management toward national building and securing interests of real Pakistan.They only work on US agendas and your all COAS are sicked to its polices and selected on this basis.
    I am an Indian agent as per your investigation and observation??
    It is not your fault .You were just trained for such kind of remarks after any kind of security failures in Pakistan
    .Keep on following me sooner you find my links with all Taliban group working in Pakistan fata side.
    Now it is ok!! I give you clue and you start your investigation that from where RAW is providing me evidence of wrong doings of Pak army and its agencies.

  32. smantha says:

    You want to try my age, you are most wellcome, i am sure that i am much more attrcative then what you even dreamed about your own self……………..you have pure PPP blood in your vains……no decency and manners………..(this is what I was told about the political women of PPP and PML(N) and you have proved that right)…. but you have the characteristics of FIRDOUS ASHIQ AWAN and Sharmila Farooqi combined………..amusing!! and that is why “HOW YOU CAN BE SINCERE TO PAKISTAN?”

    Have you forgotten that with the birth of Bhutto Family Pakistan was divided into two………..He was the first illegitimate PM of Pakistan…. did he say to Mujib ur Rehman….(IDHAR HAM UDAR TUM)? but being illegitimate is being normal in Bhuttos………….?? Does it hold good for you as well….as you are their biggest fan or you wanna be one of them??

    What a waste of time?

    • Nazia says:

      What I have to do with your age.
      I dream about you:( oh my god you are some kind of night mare or exorcist character of this web world,
      I am just helping you to find in this long sightedness problem which is making difficulty for you to distinguish between jehnagir and sherazi.
      Your long sightedness in so obvious that you are wrongly putting me in PPP group under the topic of military politics.
      I have pure and healthy human blood and name is on donor list of Fatimid foundation.
      What kind of more decency and mannerism you expect from me that I am tolerating you and your :thoughtful comments in my area with full patience.
      You are right it is all waste of time but who spared you to waste your precious time on your deep observation like that or you might be person like that
      Kaheen par nagahan kheen par nashana
      I mean to say you want to reach near to dr awan or shiramla who are top ladies of president house these days ,through my links.
      I make you clear I have no contact with any one of them who are just replica of you and ideal for your exact matching.You can contact them through Faisal raza abidi ,your same town mate who can surely do this noble job.

  33. Ehsan says:

    spy services hardly trusting one another.Deception, false statements, lies, fake identities all are part of management of those who call them brain of any country. After all, people who earn their salaries by lying and assuming false identities probably don’t make the most reliable business partners. Moreover, spies know that the best way to steal secrets is to penetrate the ranks of another spy service. Local spy should have an edge on aliens but it all depends on caliber and conscience of individuals.

  34. Nazia says:

    I am really unable to understand the real role of intelligence groups in all over the world.
    KGB had one of strong network but couldn’t stop fragmentation of Russian states.
    Nazis had an history of having gone of strongest intelligence network but ultimate Hitler had to make suicide after facing defeat from all sides.
    US a super power couldn’t stop the man made disaster of 911 through one of modern and fine intelligence network.
    Here in Pakistan these are agencies who usually work against all political growth and showed complete failures in Pak India wars or in this war of terrorism.
    You are right the people trained on deceptive attitude, lies, fake IDs ca only make wrong deals or behave like most unreliable nationas of any nation.

  35. Faiz` says:

    Few glimpses of acknowledgment of ISI world wide and national level services.

    -ISI still helping terror groups against India: Narayanan

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2008-03-27/india/27781341_1_terror-groups-m-k-narayanan-isi

    -US authorities have described Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency as a terrorist organization and considered it as much of a threat as al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
    http://www.theworldreporter.com/2011/04/us-branded-isi-as-terror-group.html

    Pakistan intelligence agencies, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and its sister organizations have been involved in over one thousand murder cases in Balochistan, according to a report.
    http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/99195-pak-isi-security-behind-killings-abucting-balochistan.html
    SHC rejects ISI’s affidavit about missing Baloch leader
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201148story_8-4-2011_pg7_21

    PAKISTAN: Army officers acknowledged that a disappeared person was in their custody but the courts failed to recover him
    http://www.humanrights.asia/news/ahrc-news/AHRC-STM-014-2011

  36. Nazia says:

    Yesterday our elected prime minister has taken full responsibility of all acts of ISI. so now all this burden of sins has been put on shoulders of civilians and their representatives.
    That is why these guys are handpicked.

  37. Hindu kush says:

    First of all we will do the same to blood sucking Americans as we did with the most powerfull superpower if it’s time the communist soviets,just like we bled them to death we will bleed the American warmachine as it is bleeding,once we have crippled them we will go east to India to to bleed the mushrikuun.Pakistan army and IsI may have ruined Pakistan but atleast they got the enemies at bay,of it was for civilian rule zardar Fulani and all those corrupt western educated bastards wud of sold Pakistan for pennies

  38. Nazia says:

    Yes whatever you did to Soviet by destroying the security of KPK and tribal areas and now whole Pakistan is at risk of extremism and civil war like situation and you are planning to bleed USA.I can only salute to common sense of special people like you.

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